{"id":911,"date":"2011-10-28T22:12:12","date_gmt":"2011-10-28T21:12:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.andrewj.com\/blog\/?p=911"},"modified":"2011-10-28T22:14:14","modified_gmt":"2011-10-28T21:14:14","slug":"what-are-the-chances-of-that","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.andrewj.com\/blog\/2011\/what-are-the-chances-of-that\/","title":{"rendered":"What Are The Chances Of That?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>For the last couple of years, I&#8217;ve been working fairly regularly with a chap called Carl. The other day a group of us were chatting, and got to talking about cars we had owned. Among others, Carl had once owned a very souped-up Ford Escort. To explain how fast it was, he pointed out that he&#8217;d once &#8220;burned off a Porsche&#8221; in it.<\/p>\n<p>My ears pricked up, and I interjected &#8220;You know, that once happened to me in my Porsche. I was at a set of traffic lights just outside Croydon, and some imp in a mark I Escort pulled up alongside, turned to me with a very cheeky grin, and then left me standing when the lights went green.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>And Carl said &#8220;The Sutton bypass. About 1987. Tobacco brown 911 with no rear wing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Yes. We were describing the same event from opposite sides of the dotted White line. <i>It was him!<\/i><\/p>\n<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<\/p>\n<p>We all occasionally experience odd coincidences, but this has to be a pretty wild one by any standards. It got me thinking &#8211; what are the chances of re-encountering someone from an anonymous past event like this?<\/p>\n<p>I reckon that a significant part of the British population have timelines which will never intersect mine at first or even second hand. However between places I have lived and worked, places with which I have family, friend or work connections, events I attend and routes I travel the number of intersections in a lifetime (counting any individual once) must be quite large. Let&#8217;s say it&#8217;s 10 million. This includes &#8220;knows someone I know&#8221; and &#8220;in the same place at the same time&#8221; as well as more direct interactions.<\/p>\n<p>Now I also reckon that I work with perhaps 20 or 30 people at any one time closely enough to have such a conversation, and that group changes at a rate of perhaps 10 people a year. Others might put the figure higher, but let&#8217;s use that for now. Therefore since 1987 maybe 250 people have added to that group.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s therefore very easy to come up with a crude estimate of the probability that some individual I crossed in my youth would end up working with me, at about 250 in 10,000,000, or 1 in 40,000. That&#8217;s about half the chance of winning &pound;10 with a three number match in the British lottery.<\/p>\n<p>However, that&#8217;s just the &#8220;latent coincidence probability&#8221;. You then have to factor in the chance of actually discovering it. <\/p>\n<p>To come up in conversation at a range of 24 years an event has to be pretty memorable to at least one party, and recognisable to another. Trivial or indistinct events get forgotten. I suspect our traffic lights grand prix was one of many for both Carl and myself in our youth, but it&#8217;s memorable as the one in which the ancient Escort beat the (almost equally ancient) Porsche, in a way which left my friend and I in my car laughing rather than anything else. I have forgotten almost all the others, where Helga did what Porsche built her to do, and won.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s also an upper limit on memorability. If events are too dramatic or tragic they will also preclude conversation.<\/p>\n<p>Even if you have a history of memorable events, they may just not come up in conversation. Carl and I have worked together for a couple of years, and not discussed old cars before. The topic could easily have come up when I was not in the room, or just not listening, and not been repeated.<\/p>\n<p>These factors are more difficult to quantify, but I reckon there&#8217;s probably only a 1 in 100 to 1000 chance of discovering the co-incidence at the 24 year range of my example. So for a single event involving just one other main party we have a net probability of the order of 1 in 10 million that I&#8217;ll work with that other party, and then discover it. That&#8217;s about the same as winning the UK lottery jackpot!<\/p>\n<p>Three factors make things more likely. Obviously if more than one other person was involved this increases the probability proportionately. There&#8217;s also a smaller than 10 million group of people whose paths are likely to cross several times because of location or other factors.<\/p>\n<p>You also have to consider that most people have a pool of such events to draw on. We&#8217;re talking about events which would merit a special mention in the pub, a couple of paragraphs in the letter home, maybe a blog rather than just a tweet in today&#8217;s parlance. I reckon I accumulate these at the rate of one every few weeks. Therefore since my memory became really active, I have maybe 40&#215;25 such events, a convenient 1000 to draw on.<\/p>\n<p>Thus the probability for a given event is ~ 1 in 10 million, but the probability of any such coincidence drops back to ~ 1 in 10 thousand, and maybe down to 1 in a thousand for events based on a home location, a favourite sport or similar.<\/p>\n<p>Now I reckon I&#8217;ve had a couple of such coincidences in my career. There are three possibilities: either my calculations are wrong, I&#8217;ve set the bar for what counts too low (increasing the number of potential events), or I&#8217;m just very lucky.<\/p>\n<p>What do you think?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>For the last couple of years, I&#8217;ve been working fairly regularly with a chap called Carl. The other day a group of us were chatting, and got to talking about cars we had owned. 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